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2017 Shipper Showdown: Which Arrowverse ship is your favorite?!

2017 Shipper Showdown: Which Arrowverse ship is your favorite?!

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Hey Arrow, Supergirl, The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow lovers! Welcome to our superhero sized portion of the 2017 Shipper Showdown! The winner of Arrowverse ship polls will face off against the winners of the other 2017 Shipper Showdown polls in April, so vote for your favs to rep your show in the final!

There are four shows that make up the Arrowverse (if we include Supergirl). Let’s start with the one that started it all, Arrow!

This Poll is closed. Results were taken at 12:01am 4/1/2017. Thanks for voting! See the results here!

Next up is The Flash!

 

Don’t forget the Legends of Tomorrow! It’s the show that ships everyone with everyone (including the ship)!

And finally, Supergirl!

No matter who you pick, remember to be kind! Vote as much as you’d like! The winner of this poll will go up against the other winners of the “Shipper Showdown” polls so vote and vote some more! This poll will end April 1, 2017.

Vote in the other 2017 Shipper Showdown polls HERE!

(Featured Image and poll images from CW) 

 

Meg Bonney Meg is a YA-Fantasy writer who spends entirely too much time watching television. When she isn't writing, wrangling her kids, or working in corporate America, Meg spends her days/nights riding shotgun in Dean Winchester's Impala, dusting vampires in Sunnydale, drinking with Damon Salvatore, and looking for Derek in Beacon Hills.
  • What Other Girls?

    WestAllen <3

  • Tina Keane

    What is caitlin and barry doing on this list? Ya could have included Linda instead since she is a canon li

    • K Brynne

      boring li

      • Tina Keane

        Yes they’re very boring especially when you compare them to the non existent romantic relationship Barry and Caitlin got.

        • K Brynne

          And yet one of the most popular (het) ships in the fandom. I guess a FEW people think they’re interesting.

          • Tina Keane

            Ye have to twist what’s on screen to make it a ship cause the romance between Caitlin and Barry doesn’t exist

          • K Brynne

            That’s why it’s called F-A-N-O-N.

          • Tina Keane

            Is that why ye always in the writers mentions demanding snowbarry and throwing a strop any time Barry so much as looks at Iris instead of Caitlin? Or about that time ye all thought ye were going to get earth 2 snowbarry simple cause ye asked for it? What about the time ye thought FP was going to end in snowbarry even though Grant and everybody else that read the comic told ye he had his memories? Don’t act the ye accept that snowbarry is never going to happen when it’s clear that isn’t the case. Ye guys twist shit and then convince yerselves it’s canon and then throw a strop when the writers don’t give ye want ye thought was going to happen

          • K Brynne

            It’s called shipping, honey. Maybe you’re new at it.
            It’s not like the Westallens don’t do the exact same things.
            All’s fair in love, war and fandom shipping.

          • Tina Keane

            Westallen shippers don’t have to twist canon to support their ship cause it’s actually canon and they don’t throw strops cause they are entitled buch of brats. I hope you still think this when you realize the writers don’t give a fuck a crackship that doesn’t bring ratings or sm hype

          • K Brynne

            F-A-N-O-N.
            I believe in my ship wether it’s fanon or becomes canon. Are you worried that it might ? Maybe they’ll become a threesome. There you go, ship war solved.

          • Tina Keane

            Yes I’m so worried Barry is going to dump the woman he’s loved since he was a kid for the woman who he left at the mercy of serial killer while he visited Nora’s grave and yes your ship is fanon but Barry/Linda and Barry/patty are canon and had more of right to be this list then Barry/Caitlin

          • K Brynne

            ” . .but Barry/Linda and Barry/patty are canon and had more of right to be this list then Barry/Caitlin”

            I’m sure that the TWO people who ship them would agree with you . . but the rest of us don’t.

            And those pairs wouldn’t have been much competition to westallen on this poll . . so maybe THAT’S why you wanted them and not snowbarry.

            ” I see you, villain! I see you with your fucking villain mustache!”

          • J. Brown

            SNOWBARRY RULES!!!!!!!

          • Tina Keane

            I hope you’re trolling cause if not you sound like a dumbass.

          • K Brynne

            Well, I’m not a dumbass . . .

          • K Brynne

            Definitely not a troll.
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  • LLena

    Supercorp 2nd Ahahhahahah There are only canon or ex canon ship and Supercorp, a fanon ship, is 2nd? LOOOOOL #Supercorp #Supergirl #KarLena #MonWho?!

    • K Brynne

      KARAMEL IS DELICIOUS !!

  • Veneta

    No Sara and Oliver? It’s a shame, they were great couple on Arrow. And why is there Rip and Sara, I am surprised someone ships them!

  • Isabel Rain

    westallen, of course, the best couple from the DCUTV

    • Lyla

      Yes, adopted brother and sister, what a romance! So sexy!!! And don’t even think about saying ”comics”, we’re talking about a TV show.

      • AOTR

        Is barry’s last name West? Nope…cause he is not adopted! Living with them for 7 years is not the same thing as adoption, get your facts straight.

        • Lainie

          That brother/sister thing is such a tired excuse. Anyone watching the show can blatantly see that Barry and Iris are NOT brother and sister. The producers have said it time and time and again. Heck even Grant and Candice have said it! They’re best friends who grew up together and that’s it. And you now what? I like the fact that they grew up together. Because growing up together brought them even closer and made the bond that they have even stronger. And the deep bond and connection that Barry and Iris have is one of the best things about them. Also the comics isn’t the only reason why people ship them. I ship them because childhood best friends to lovers is my favorite trope, they’ve been through everything together, they have history, they know each other better than anybody else in their life, they’ve always been there for each other, and they have a deep love between them that has always been there even when they were just best friends. And they just have a deep and special relationship ( deeper than any other relationship Barry has ever had with another woman) rooted in unconditional love. Their love is so incredibly pure and strong. So strong in fact that it transcends time and space! Like they literally end up together in every timeline and in every universe. They always find each other! Like that kind of love right there is epic! Just those reasons alone make them the best ship of the show. No other ship can even compare. Especially not snowberry.

        • Lyla

          People often use the term ”adopted” even when it’s not legalized. Also, Barry’s last name isn’t West, but he DOES call Joe his father, as well as Joe calls Barry his son. And I have no secret agenda here, I’m just saying the ”family angle” really didn’t help me see them romantically.

          • AOTR

            They used foster, adopted, friend, best friend, in different episodes because they never really knew how to label their relationship. It was the writers’ fault for dragging that out. However Barry only called Joe “dad” once (1×23). Yes Joe has referred to Barry as his son many times but he sees Barry that way. He is a great father figure to Barry. That is their dynamic. Doesn’t mean Barry ever saw Iris that way. Barry will eventually marry Iris and legally be joe’s son anyhow so that dynamic being established already is fine by me.

          • Serena

            They say they have no secret agenda but then dismiss everything that’s show canon with Barry and Iris. Barry calling Joe “dad” once means that Barry and Iris are adopted siblings or whatever crap they like to make up about their relationship. Barry stating multiple times that he loves Iris romantically means nothing for them. So transparent! Considering that Barry and Iris were friends and he had a crush on her before his mom’s murder, their relationship should take precedence to whatever relationship he then formed with Joe but no, Barry and Iris retroactively became siblings to fit an agenda they claim not to have. Lmao.

          • Lainie

            Wait a second I don’t remember Barry or Iris ever referring to each other as foster or adopted anything. I do remember them always referring to each other as best friends though.

          • AOTR

            I meant collectively as a family, sorry (goes to edit comment). Joe specifically said “adopted father” in 1×15 while he was in the car with Barry. But he said it off handedly. Like he could have said “your adopted sister”, but we all know that is not the case. Joe and Barry’s dynamic is very much father figure and second son. That’s where it ends.
            Barry said “This is my adopted? foster? friend! This is my friend, Wally.” in 2×15. Iris said “kinda like brother and sister” once in the Pilot episode. Barry has never said anything of the sort about Iris, haha. Obviously cause he knew how he felt about her from day 1 (unlike Iris).

          • Lainie

            That brother/sister thing is such a tired excuse anyone watching the show can blatantly see that they’re NOT brother and sister. The producers have said it time and time again heck even Grant and Candice have said it! Y’all need to let that brother/sister thing go. They’re best friends who grew up together and that’s it. Also I like the fact that they grew up together because growing up together brought them even closer and made the bond that they have even stronger. And the deep bond and connection that Barry and Iris have are one of the best things about them.

      • Lainie

        That brother/sister thing is such a tired excuse anyone watching the show can blatantly see that they’re NOT brother and sister. The producers have said it time and time again heck even Grant and Candice have said it! Y’all need to let that brother/sister thing go. And comics isn’t the only reason people ship them. I ship them because childhood best friends to lovers is my favorite trope, it’s means they’ve been through everything together, they have history, they know each other better than anybody else in their life, they’ve always been there for each other, there’s a deep love between them and always has been even when they were just best friends. And it’s just a very deep and special relationship rooted in unconditional love. Barry loves Iris more than anything and has loved her since before he knew what the word love meant. Their love for each other is incredibly pure and strong. So strong in fact that it transcends time and space and they literally end up together in every timeline and in every universe. They always find each other! Like that kind of love right there is freaking epic! Just all those reasons right there alone make them the best ship of the show. No other ship can even compare. Especially not snowberry.

  • Isabel Rain

    other thing why is there snowbarry? i mean they have never been a thing on the show, if you wanted to put another barry ship there you could have put barry and linda or barry and patty since those were canon on the show, just saying…

    • K Brynne

      fanon is better than canon

      • Tina Keane

        Fanon the only place where snowbarry exists as a healthy romantic relationship so I guess if that’s your thing fanon is better

        • K Brynne

          Thank you for admitting that fanon is better.

          • Tina Keane

            Of course ya be dense enough to assume that’s what I was saying.

          • K Brynne

            Okay. I will.
            SNOWBARRY !!!

  • AJ Dragon

    As someone who didn’t vote on the Flash poll because that show I really don’t have a ship, just a couple dynamics I enjoy that aren’t represented in the poll, I find it weird so many of y’all are complaining about Barry/Caitlin and bringing up canon couples.
    Like Rip/Sara (instead of Carter/Kendra or Rip/Miranda) and Kara/Lena (as opposed to Siobhan/Winn) are non-canon but included over canon options.
    I mean I’d be interested to know how the choices were selected but it’s clear that canon isn’t a requirement.

    • Tina Keane

      It’s the fact snowbarry got included but two of Barry’s canon ships got left out ( patty and linda)

      • Lyla

        When will people realize polls are about what audience is passionate about, hence, what gives them actual votes / clicks? Patty might have gotten some votes I give u that. But a few kisses with Lin-da (imagine Iris’s voice)? Who the hell would vote for that? Caitlin is a regular and mostly beloved character whose friendship with Barry is enjoyed by many. Thus, u can see they have lots of votes. Nobody gives a shit about irrelevant relationships, just because ”the canon”.

        • Tina Keane

          So Linda can’t be included cause he only had few kisses with her but it’s Caitlin been included is perfectly fine even though Barry has no romantic interest in her

        • Tina Keane

          Caitlin and Barry relationship is enjoyed by many? The ratings for 1×12 and 1×19 say hi.

          • Lyla

            Girl, wake up. And I mean it sincerely. What kind of an argument are 2 years old ratings that come from S1? I can tell, you like Iris and Barry, then by all means enjoy! For the Millionth time – I’m not that invested, my real jam is Arrow. Just from a casual watcher, I like the Barry Caitlin dynamic and obviously a part of the internet agrees. Come on, if they even count as ”a ship ” after all this time, you must realize a bunch of people like it even though it’s clearly not gonna happen between them. Similarly, there are still people in the Arrow fan base who somehow root for Oliver and Laurel, although she’s clearly very dead. I don’t care, I can acknowledge they are there because truthfully I only care about my OTP.

          • Tina Keane

            Snowbarry 101 ignore ratings and why are they are important and act like cause you want it so they does everyone. if you’re going to use Arrow to make some kinda point you are going to bring up how laurel and Oliver relationship is comic book canon unlike barry and Caitlin and how arrow receives a shit ton of criticism for been a batman lite show instead of following Green Arrow comics

          • Lyla

            I didn’t use Arrow to make any point girl, I just said I liked it more. Also bringing up comics in a fandom driven poll is the most unintelligent thing I have seen on this page.

          • Tina Keane

            Of course bring up comics is unintelligent when talking about shows based on comics since they Barry and Caitlin don’t have any kinda relationship in them.

      • AJ Dragon

        My point was that Kendra/Carter (one of the biggest canon ships, arguably the big canon ship, at least for season 1) of LoT wasn’t included as well as Rip/Miranda (which was arguably the driving force of all of the show)- but noncanon Mick/Amaya and Rip/Sara are options. Same with Supergirl.
        If I had to ship Barry with anyone it’d likely be Patty, I do not understand the appeal of romantic Caitlin/Barry at all, and I lowkey shipped Barry/Iris in season one (for me, I don’t like how they developed- the whole soulmate/destiny/every earth and timeline angle made me feel cheated on how they developed personally and turned me off, though that is a personal preference). Still, I think it’s so weird that all these people who are getting mad that Caitlin/Barry are included aren’t acknowledging that’s standard for these polls.
        If you think Rip/Sara and Lena/Kara have no place on these polls and are stealing spots from canon couples as well, that’s one thing, but no one is saying that and people are acting like Caitlin/Barry specifically have no place based solely on the fact that they aren’t canon and that all other non-canon ships are fine, even though LoT & Supergirl (as well as the other Shipper Showdown polls) have one, if not more, non-canon ships included over canon ones.
        Personally, I’d like to know how the ships were chosen, if only because I don’t get why something like Rip/Sara was chosen over Snart/Mick (which is very popular by comparison) if we’re going non-canon. These choices seem pretty random to me- like why no Oliver/Sara? I would have preferred Cisco/Lisa included over Cisco/Gypsy as well, but that’s more a preference.

    • AussyAngel

      I think the choices were made based on what is popular in the fandom. From my experience, the non-canon ships are generally the most popular (think slow burn).

  • Chrys911

    Westallen is the worst ship ever ew

  • violet

    let me get this straight..you included Barry & Caitlin who has never been a ship on the show instead of maybe patty or linda…two people he ACTUALLY DATED!!!! wowwww…

    • AussyAngel

      There is a lot of fanon pairings in this list – including Supercorp. Barry/Caitlin have had many pretty amazing scenes (3×07 had me floored) – if you pay attention, they actually have an amazing dynamic, hence why they have such a high percentage. Slow burn usually wins over fans more than characters introduced purely as love interests (even though I love Linda).

      • Nicetoknowyou

        There is no slow burn with those two. They are strictly friends and nothing more. If people paid attention to how the show was set since season 1, it would be understood. Barry and Caitlin have a nice friendship while Cisco and Caitlin have an even deeper bond yet none of you ship them. Why is that?

        • AussyAngel

          BECAUSE Barry/Caitlin have ROMANTIC chemistry, that is why people don’t romantically ship Cisco/Caitlin! Those two ARE platonic. I literally just binged the series in a week and I wanted to like Westallen because they’re canon, I did. But I just… didn’t. Trust me, I have heard plenty of this platonic crap from antis in the 100 fandom because I ship Bellamy and Clarke. Just let people ship what they want.

          • Anushka

            People should be able to ship what they want, and equally just as you say Cisco/Caitlin is platonic, there are plenty of people who find that their dynamic has a romantic undertone. I disagree with the OP that people should dictate what you can and cannot ship, but the same goes for brushing off Cisco/Caitlin as platonic. You’re free to ship what you want, and of course I don’t think it makes sense to make a Flash ships poll without including one of the biggest Flash ships. But I suspect some of the frustration from Barry/Iris fans is a result of the fact that some (obviously not all) of the Barry and /Caitlin fandom have a tendency to erase Iris from the narrative and argue that everything that belongs to her should go to Caitlin. As long as everyone stays in their lane, I think these frustrations would simmer down. But that’s never been the case, and that’s why tensions are high. Narratively, Iris is Barry’s hero through thick and thin, and that shouldn’t be erased. It’s perfectly fine for people to ship Barry and Caitlin, of course. But my point is I don’t think the comments strictly stem from a place of antis complaining about a non canon ship. I’m just explaining the points; I’m hardcore Westallen, but while there are ships on the Flash poll that I’m confused as to why they made it, SB is definitely not one of them. It’s really only them and WA, in terms of how the fandom is split. But I just wanted to point out that for three years there’s been a tendency for some people to completely erase Iris from the narrative, so I don’t think the comparison to other fandoms is fallacious.

          • Nicetoknowyou

            I was adressing the slow burn. Do not ignore the narrative of the show. Other than that, ship what you like. Btw, chemistry is completely and utterly subjective. So if you see romantic chemistry between Barry and Caitlin so be it but I do not. I love what I see with Barry and Iris (swoon).

          • Tina Keane

            I love that you think Caitlin and Cisco are platonic and no one ships them (they do) while shipping snowbarry since everything ye think Barry does for Caitlin Cisco actually does. Also ye keep claiming Barry and Caitlin have chemistry but this doesn’t how they treat each other or they fact there’s no romance been wrote

  • anapaulajk

    #Olicity

  • Lyla

    So so very many popular ”ships” are made of pairings that have never actually been together. It’s about what people want not about what’s happening. I love Arrow and really enjoy LoT, but Flash, though, I do usually watch it, is like a background noise to me. What I DID like in S1 was the Barry/Caitlin dynamic, while him and Iris just seemed predictable and boring. Of course, the writers saw this response and tried to kill the pairing, just so they don’t get into the ”Olicity/Lauriver” debate again. But the truth is a lot of people love the unexpected and the underdog, also Gustin and Panabaker have good chemistry so it doesn’t matter if they’ve ever been together or not, it’s about who people would LIKE to see together. And guys who suggested including Linda…, really? Lol.

    • Tina Keane

      So including crackships is fine but Barry’s canon ships shouldn’t be included?

      • K Brynne

        the canon ships are boring.

    • Serena

      Predictable and boring is what the Barry/Caitlin dynamic is to me. Olicity 2.0. Been there, done that. The difference is that at least Oliver and Felicity have some romantic chemistry. That’s not the case for Barry and Caitlin who give off mother/son vibes in most of their scenes. And “The writers saw the amazing response to Barry/Caitlin and tried to kill off the pairing” is the lamest excuse ever. Writers ALWAYS go with what works and what is popular. This is business after all. Barry/Caitlin doesn’t work (all the ship baiting episodes included gross stuff like sexism, sexual assault and attempted murder) and are not as popular as their shippers might think. Their fans are also very fickle. See S2 when Barry was dating Patty and ignoring Iris and hardly anybody gave a damn about the Barry/Caitlin “amazing” dynamic. I wonder why *sarcasm*

      • Lyla

        As I said Flash isn’t my thing, I watch because I love the franchise, so I am not that passionate about anything on it as you clearly are. And judging by the criticism of Olicity which nobody was even talking about, I’m going to guess – a devoted ”comic canon” shipper? Lol, all good. The truth is there WAS excitement about Barry/ Caitlin in S1 and Iris wasn’t liked at all. But as I said the writing killed that dynamic by almost completely cutting their scenes. I doubt your mentioned Olicity would’ve gotten anywhere either if S2 wasn’t full of little moments between them. Anyway I agree with u that after ppl obviously shipped them in S1, their relationship has been shown to be completely platonic. Even if you say writers always go where peoples support is, I stick to my opinion that Barry and Caitlin or Barry and Patty could’ve had chemistry like fire, they wouldn’t stand a chance because no way they’d diverge from cannon for the 2nd time. Also I have nothing against Iris, in fact she might be the most talented DCTV actress — I just see no sexuality between her and Gustin. Platonic love & deep bond, yes. Sparks, no.

        • Bella Vasquez

          I like Olicity, but I’m pretty sure the OP mentioned them because The Flash first premiered when they were at the height of popularity on Arrow, and rather grossly, the Flash fandom positioned the female characters in The Flash as the female characters in Arrow. Which is extremely misogynistic, considering that Iris, Felicity, Caitlin, and Laurel don’t deserve that nonsense, as they’re all strong female characters with individual personalities who are not copies of one another. That’s why Iris fans fought an uphill battle in season 1. Honestly, people always talk about the writers “killing” Barry and Caitlin’s dynamic, but the thing is, once Iris found out he was the Flash, he was going to always turn to the person whom he’d always gone to for advice. The only reason he couldn’t was because she was out of the loop. It’s literally the natural progression of the narrative, imo; once Iris was in the know, Barry didn’t have to go to Caitlin or Cisco to talk as much.

          As for chemistry, I mean that’s entirely subjective. I could argue that Candice was cast as Iris on the strength of her chemistry with Grant, and that I honestly don’t know how anyone who watched the scene were Barry re-proposed to Iris can say they don’t have romantic chemistry, but obviously, like I said, everyone reacts to characters’ chemistry differently, so fair enough.

          BTW, I’m not arguing which ship should or should not be in this poll. I’m honestly fine with this poll. But I think these points are where some people’s frustrations stem from.

          • Lyla

            Interesting first argument. Could be true. And yes Iris as well as Candice had an uphill battle, a lot because of the Arrow precedent. I’ll say once again, and I am sorry Laurel fans, I think Iris/Candice is exceptional and I would never compare her to Laurel/Cassidy who was imo miscast. My preference to Caitlin and Barry (at least last seasons, now not so much) came from a feeling that there was something there and frankly very many ppl love ”the underdog”, not the obvious destined love interest. BUT I DO like Candice & Grant on screen .. just sometimes it feels like they pass for an old married couple and not newly engaged one. But when I think about it I guess it fits the narrative. You are right though .. subjective.

          • Bella Vasquez

            Of course, and you’re free to ship as you like and enjoy different dynamics on the show. I love the childhood best friends to lovers trope; I love how WA feel like they have been married for years (because they kinda have been unofficially), and how they understand each other better than anyone. But I get that some people prefer a bit more mystery; they prefer the getting-to-know trope, etc., and as such WA may not appeal to them. They may prefer other Barry/Caitlin’s dynamic or Barry/Patty’s or Barry/Cisco’s, and that’s fine. As you said, Candice is exceptional, and rather unfairly, she had to be exceptional in order for Iris to be as accepted and cherished as she is now in the media. In Iris’ emotional scenes with Barry or with Joe, Candice has always matched Grant and Jesse L Martin, both of whom are ridiculously talented, and this season, she’s had to do so much of the emotional heavy-lifting, and she delivers every scene beautifully with aplomb. And I think for that reason (this is not directed at you, I’m speaking towards what I’ve generally seen in the comments and otherwise), I tend to be a bit suspicious of people dismiss Iris, or dismiss WA as not having chemistry.

        • Serena

          You guessed wrong because I never read a comic book in my entire life. And where did I criticize Olicity? I simply stated that a Barry/Caitlin romance wouldn’t be anything original as a love story between the hero and the science girl on his team had already been explored with Oliver and Felicity. I even said that Oliver and Felicity have some romantic chemistry (even if I’m not passionate about any Arrow ship to be honest).
          Yes, there was excitement about Barry and Caitlin and that doesn’t surprise me in the slightest given the groundbreaking nature of the Iris casting…Still, Barry/Caitlin wasn’t more popular than Barry/Iris and while Iris had her vocal haters she also had many passionate fans.
          Actually, the relationship between Barry and Caitlin was platonic in S1 as well, not just in S2. There was nothing from his end. Nothing. And they when they ship baited I couldn’t help but laugh because of the mother/son vibes I usually get with them (and I’m not alone in this). Barry/Caitlin and Barry/Patty could have had chemistry like fire but the truth is that there was NO chemistry there (and don’t get me started on you saying that the WHITE male LEAD has chemistry like fire with two WHITE WOMEN but produces no sparks with the BLACK woman. And you also laughed at people asking to include Linda, an Asian woman, in the poll. Coincidence? LOL).
          I would like to see the scenes with this fire chemistry between Barry/Caitlin and Barry/Patty. I must have been asleep when they aired, LOL. Barry and Iris are usually written as very are sweet and romantic but no sexual sparks? Lies. Iris and Flash on the rooftop was pretty hot. Iris and Flash in general was hot. Couch make out scene? Also hot. The way he checks her out in some scenes?
          And they wouldn’t risk diverging from canon for a second time? Supergirl says “Hi!”.
          Honestly, you can ship whatever you want. I don’t care. What I don’t like is WestAllen detractors reaching for the stars to dismiss the chemistry (romantic, sexual, etc.) that gave Candice the job and act like even the producers see no sparks between them and that’s why they have to get rid of all the white women to make WestAllen work. These conspiracy theories are pretty gross and insulting, especially when this is not how business works. You can just agree to disagree with the producers, casting director, the WestAllen fandom, etc. and be done with it.

        • Serena

          You guessed wrong because I never read a comic book in my entire life.
          And where did I criticize Olicity? I simply stated that a Barry/Caitlin
          romance wouldn’t be anything original as a love story between the hero
          and the science girl on his team had already been explored with Oliver
          and Felicity. I even said that Oliver and Felicity have some romantic
          chemistry (even if I’m not passionate about any Arrow ship to be
          honest).
          Yes, there was excitement about Barry and Caitlin and that
          doesn’t surprise me in the slightest given the groundbreaking nature of
          the Iris casting…Still, Barry/Caitlin wasn’t more popular than
          Barry/Iris and while Iris had her vocal haters she also had many
          passionate fans.
          Actually, the relationship between Barry and
          Caitlin was platonic in S1 as well, not just in S2. There was nothing
          from his end. Nothing. And when they ship baited I couldn’t help but
          laugh because of the mother/son vibes I usually get with them (and I’m
          not alone in this). Barry/Caitlin and Barry/Patty could have had
          chemistry like fire but the truth is that there was NO chemistry there
          (and don’t get me started on you saying that the WHITE male LEAD has
          chemistry like fire with two WHITE WOMEN but produces no sparks with the
          BLACK woman. And you also laughed at people asking to include Linda, an
          Asian woman, in the poll. Coincidence? LOL).
          I would like to see
          the scenes with this fire chemistry between Barry/Caitlin and
          Barry/Patty. I must have been asleep when they aired, LOL. Barry and
          Iris are usually written as very sweet and romantic but no sexual
          sparks? Lies. Iris and Flash on the rooftop was pretty hot. Iris and
          Flash in general was hot. Couch make out scene? Also hot. The way he
          checks her out in some scenes? The kiss by the waterfront?
          And they wouldn’t risk diverging from canon for a second time? Supergirl says “Hi!”.
          Honestly,
          you can ship whatever you want. I don’t care. What I don’t like is
          WestAllen detractors reaching for the stars to dismiss the chemistry
          (romantic, sexual, etc.) that gave Candice the job and act like the
          producers see no sparks between them and that’s why they have to get
          rid of all the white women to make WestAllen work. These conspiracy
          theories are pretty gross and insulting, especially when this is not how
          business works. You can just agree to disagree with the producers, the
          casting director, the WestAllen fandom, etc. and be done with it.

          • Lyla

            This is unfair. I can see now that WA shippers have a lot of hurt feelings because Iris and Candice obviously experienced a tough fight because of her race. Frankly, I didn’t know and that is not because I’m ignorant, but because as I stated many times I haven’t been particularly involved in the Flash fandom. I have to right the wrongs though. I said ”Barry and Caitlin or Barry and Patty COULD’VE had chemistry like fire and it wouldn’t have changed anything”. Theoretically. Not that they DID. Yes, I like Barry/Caitlin dynamics a lot, but I don’t see anything ”fire-like” there and Barry with Patty was just meh for me(though her character was lovely). I mentioned her because she was the 2nd biggest love interest behind Iris. I don’t even understand why Linda’s race is relevant since the character was clearly not. Smh. And if you bothered to look outside your ”everything is about race” rage, you would read the many posts I wrote about how I thought Iris is great and sexy, but I’d simply like her to be with someone more .. manly. For example, I believe her and someone like Oliver Queen would have tremendous chemistry. That’s my preference based on her character and how womanly and wise Iris seems for the childish & boyish moves & looks of Barry. Nothing to do with race, girl. But if u want to hate on differing opinions, u’ll find a way. Cheers!

          • Serena

            I apologize for misunderstanding your “chemistry like fire” comment. I re-read it and you’re right. You said COULD so that was my mistake.

            I don’t ship based on looks so I don’t care how “manly” Oliver is. Barry is a sweet nerd but I don’t find him childish and I see a lot of romantic chemistry with Iris. And even if I did think Barry was too young-looking for Iris, him and Caitlin don’t match. She looks so much older than both Barry and Iris. Even in Season 1, she was like the mother hen of the group.

            Again, I apologize for misunderstanding your reply but I won’t apologize for “hating on different opinions” when you are guilty of the exact same “sin” with another poster. The girl was minding her own business cheering for her ship and you decided to butt in and mock her comment. You came uninvited calling Barry and Iris “siblings” and saying sarcastic stuff like “What a romance!” and “So sexy!”. That’s why I don’t buy it when you say that you are not that passionate about The Flash. If that were the case, the girl’s comment wouldn’t have bothered you to the point that you felt the need to reply even if nobody was talking to you.

            Anyway, thanks for understanding the “hurdles” Candice and her fans had to face. Have a nice day!

  • Lex

    Good to see the hate voters are out in full force. I knew I could count on them to be petty af.

    • K Brynne

      Thanks, man. It’s nice to have all our hard work appreciated.

      • Anushka

        Y’all Anti Olicity people (and antis of any ship for that matter) need to get a life. I don’t understand why you spend your time hate-voting a ship, like…

        • K Brynne

          Because it’s fun. Duh.

  • SeaMechanicGirl

    What? No Patty and Barry?! I liked those two the most on Flash. I guess I’m going with Caitlin and Julian then. On Arrow I like Oliver/Felicity and Nyssa/Sara. On Legends of Tomorrow I never really shipped anyone but I started to love Rip/Gideon ever since that kiss. I find it the most interesting. I was never into any ship in Supergirl. Mon-El and Kara are too sweet for my taste. I still voted for them though. Maggie/Alex is also nice. Lena and Kara… I don’t think that will ever happen. They made it very clear Kara is straight. It would be interesting to see though. And if I knew J’onn and M’gann had so little votes I would have voted for them. I liked them.

  • elena A

    on LOT: ray and sara!!

    • Lyla

      Like I don’t think that would ever actually work long time but sure as hell would be fun to see!

  • Femslash Fantasies

    Are you guys blind or y’all just looking for something to complain about? The name of the site is literally “Pure Fandom” meaning whatever ship that’s in that specific fandom. It doesn’t have to he canon. It just has to be popular in that fandom. And its clear that they are as Caitlin and Barry are very close to Barry and Iris in terms of votes and Lena and Kara have way more votes than Mon-El and Kara. Your arguments about the ships not being canon or “real” are pathetic and y’all don’t understand the true meaning of fandom.

    • Tina Keane

      But why leave out two of Barry’s canon ships to included one that was never canon and never will be?

      • Femslash Fantasies

        How do u know it never will be canon? Are u a writer on the show? No so don’t say that cause u can’t possibly know. This is the same way some haters in the Legend of Korra fandom acted about Korra and Asami, and that non canon “crack ship” ended up being endgame so please don’t be naive. And just because a relationship Barry had was canon doesn’t mean it is important to the fandom. They obviously left it out because they felt that it wasn’t important or popular enough. All of you over here complaining about ships being left out and I bet you that if they had included the ships you’re talking about, none of you would have voted for them. You’re all just looking for something to complain about, smh

        • Bella Vasquez

          Obviously, in a poll about The Flash ships, both WA and SB as the two most popular ships, are undoubtedly going to be included. I’m hardcore WA, and I’ve accepted this a long time back. And while this makes sense and is inevitable, and while I think there’s no point projecting frustrations onto a poll, I don’t think people’s general complaints are by any means unwarranted. While I’m sure the majority of SB shippers peacefully ship their ship, it’s no secret that a vocal minority seek to erase Iris from her own narrative. You don’t see that in the case of any of the other non-canon ships on this poll. Supercorp is extremely popular, but it’s not like you ever hear of them removing Mon-El and Kara from the narrative. They may be heavily against it, and may heavily criticize it, but they don’t want what Kara/Mon-El have for Lena/Kara. They enjoy the latter for the dynamic that they see. Like I said, I’m sure that a lot of SB shippers enjoy it for the dynamic that they see/saw, but when you consistently see Iris being erased from the narrative and Caitlin inserted in her place, it’s not a surprise that WA shippers are going to be annoyed. While this may not be the platform to voice those grievances, because a poll is obviously going to include the popular ships in a fandom, and that’s completely find, these so-called complaints are not unfounded.

          This is simply an explanation as to what I’m seeing in the comments; I could be wrong, but I’ve been in The Flash fandom now since the pilot episode aired, so I think I’ve seen enough to understand where people are coming from.

    • AussyAngel

      THANK YOU.

    • violet

      i don’t care that Caitlin was included…i’m just saying..if you are going to include her include Patty and Linda as well…they have a fandom too…that is all

      • Lyla

        ”include Patty and Linda as well…they have a fandom too” — do they though? People talk about Barry and Caitlin from day 1, how ON EARTH does “a Linda” compare ? This is about pairings that have actual fandoms behind them not just some people who liked them, so these polls can actually get some votes lol.

        • violet

          lol i notice you didnt say how on earth does “a linda” AND “a patty” compare…but ya know what…I’m glad you asked that question…let me educate you for a quick sec… you’re right ya no…totally right…they can’t actually compare to caitlin seeing as how he actually dated them…and felt something for them besides friendship…but umm if people were talking about Barry and Caitlin from day one…that’s cool…but please refrain from shitting on other people’s fandom because you’re either bored or idle…they do have fandoms ANDD people who like them….and i’m only going to assume you did extensive research on these polls to know what they’re looking for and how they selected who goes on these polls…they might not have gotten as much votes as Iris or caitlin but they would have gotten votes…so i’m trying to understand what you meant by “so these polls can actually get some votes” how would they being on the poll hinder it from getting votes??…the next time you feel the need to idk defend your “ship” stop for a hot minuite and re read what was said in the first place…

          ps…your question should probably have been how ON EARTH does “a Caitlin” compare ? because no matter how large that fandom is…she doesn’t (compare I mean)…because at the end of the day they will have done something she never did…and that’s date Barry. lol but at least they have their “chemistry” right.

  • lis

    when WA fans feels so pressed by a ship that they call “non canon” sooooo why you care? because they are second without even been something more than friends?? lmaooooo your fears is my joy! :3
    sb get 42% just as friends….Imagine if they where canon!! 😉

    • Tina Keane

      Snowbarry could 100% but still won’t becoming canon

      • Andy Howard

        Lol. We still would ship wa. Imagine if Iris was white? People wouldn’t think a second thought about snowbarry

    • violet

      sorry my imagination is not that big….lol that’s why you will forever stay reaching…lol always coming in second…your fandom or ship never being good enough is what brings me joy lmaooo…of course that along with the fact that barry and iris are cannon…comic book royalty and will be together foreverrrr….oh my goshhhh…imagine if they were engaged about to be marri…oh waitttt…lol they already are..sorry sort of slipped me for a bit ;)…but look on the bright side…Caitlin has….Julian…some who genuinely like her…i mean that is of course..if she ever does ya no…becomes Caitlin again…

  • Lainie

    The snowbarry fandom is the most hateful and disgusting fandom I’v ever seen in my life. It’s so sad.

    • K Brynne

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  • Barry Allen

    why Barry and Caitlyn, she’s my friend.
    I love Iris West

  • K Brynne

    Wow.
    The westallen shippers sure do hate snowberry. Nearly every comment is about them.
    Feel threatened much ? I mean, u guys are winning your poll . . .

  • K Brynne

    Some see a lot of chemistry between them. You do realise that this poll has a mix of canon AND fanon ships , right ?

  • K Brynne

    KARAMEL !!

  • Femslash Fantasies

    Did just you just call me, a jamaican black girl, racist? Lol, sweetie go home. You’re clearly not well. That explains why you’re missing the point and using racism to deny your naivety. I ship Barry and Iris more than any other ship on Flash, it doesn’t by any means render any thing I wrote false. Find a better excuse for missing the point. Nice try tho

  • RS

    LOL at some ships going up 1% in less 2 minutes on a poll with 62k votes. Those scripts are working well for ya.

    • K Brynne

      ur just mad you didn’t think of that earlier.

      • RS

        Thanks for the confirmation. Didn’t need it but thanks.

  • HAToussaint

    I have been watching the Arrow poll, I don’t care really, but I have watched the Nyssa/Sara group go up 4% every hour and has like 70,000 votes. There is no way that can’t happen unless they are using a “program” to do that, very interesting. That being said, this Fanpoll therefore can’t be taken very seriously. I have read groups vote against groups too, so sad. I am a Flash fan and don’t understand why Barry and Caitlyn are there, as well as Oliver/Laurel on Arrow when Laurel is dead neither of them are couples??? Who made up this poll?

    • K Brynne

      Well, they could hardly ignore the “fanon” ships, as some are the biggest ships in their fandoms (ie. Sterek, Destiel).
      It’s not the 2017 CANON Ships Showdown, after all.

    • JustGotLittUp

      Don’t listen to K Brynne, s/he’s the one using scripts to cheat and pretty much admitted it.

      • K Brynne

        no I didn’t. . .that was your idea, Barry!
        . . ooops, I wasn’t supposed to mention that was I?
        Sorry, Baz.

  • Raul Alberto Vargas

    It’s really sad that you as the owner of the page haven’t notice the cheaters in the polls. They’re using scripts on 2 Polls of this section. Nyssara and lauriver gain 5k Votes in 8 minutes. Kara and lena fandom are doing the same. If you’re going to make a poll. please try to notice the cheaters because then this is a lose of time for the rest of the fandoms.

    • K Brynne

      y would they care ?

    • K Brynne

      All’s fair in love and fandom polls.

  • Nat

    Kara and Lena

  • luis

    sara and oliver

  • Lyla

    What the hell is this? Though I’m not familiar with the fandom politics of the Flash and surely if you say there is racism present, it’s not hard to believe you, but girl, this is out of line. I like Iris as a character, particularly since S2, and I think Candice is sexy as hell. But I just only see her having chemistry with males who are more like men… lol. I can’t explain it but whenever I see Iris and Barry she looks like a seductive woman and he like a charming boy. Both attractive and likable just not … together. What I did was try and explain that not everything is about race.

  • Lyla

    I’m truly sorry I wasted my time earlier to give you a genuine, polite and thought out response since you are obviously just an angry, rude online troll. I don’t count myself into any group of the Flash fandom, but from what I see on this page, especially you, the Barry/Iris fans are angry and narrow-minded. Hopefully people like you don’t represent the whole group. I DO know what I’m talking about, dear, as I don’t have my certificate yet, but I am a psychologist in training and the fact you personally don’t call your stepfather ”dad” doesn’t represent the whole complicated system that this is. The fact that Joe could raise Barry for all those years without any of his parents or any kinship between them whatsoever, probably makes him a legal guardian (though I don’t think the show specified this). And a legal guardian often calls the children ”the adopted children” or simply – ”their children”. As Joe did. Now all this actually wouldn’t matter, if people didn’t get so upset about my comment. Therefore, no, there is nothing illegal about Barry and Iris, but let’s not pretend I’m the first one to bring up the ”incest” question. Ill say it as I see it – the writers should have been more clear and strict when writing Barry and Iris and never mentioned anything remotely close to ”brother and sister”. And you, lady, maybe consider why you’re so stuck in your shortsighted assumptions.

  • K Brynne

    You’re the reason people think the westallen shippers are bugfuck crazy.
    P.S. Your ship (like all the rest) fell to the might of clexa in the final.